i've sort of kept out of the health care debate for the most part

i think big bid-nez runs that just like they run everything else. they're calling the shots and will continue to do so. period

that said, i think it's still possible for us to change, BABY STEPS (not like how i would want it, but that's how it has to be), for the GOOD of (almost) all.

what gets me is the bullshite that's coming out of some of the 'conservatives' talk shows or writing or radio or whatever. they're spewing not only falsehoods but outright evil. they're attempting to scare the shite not only out of the median population but ESPECIALLY OUT OF THE ELDERLY

they're telling the elderly the president and his buds are out to PULL THE PLUG on 'em just as soon as these proposed changes take effect

NOT TRUE. NOT NOT NOT

get the FACTS
Talk Radio Campaign Frightening Seniors
Provision for End-of-Life Counseling Is Described by Right as 'Death Care'

By Ceci Connolly

Washington Post Staff Writer
A campaign on conservative talk radio, fueled by President Obama's calls to control exorbitant medical bills, has sparked fear among senior citizens that the health-care bill moving through Congress will lead to end-of-life "rationing" and even "euthanasia." The controversy stems from a proposal to pay physicians who counsel elderly or terminally ill patients about what medical interventions they would prefer near the end of life and how to prepare instructions such as living wills. Under the plan, Medicare would reimburse doctors for one session every five years to confer with a patient about his or her wishes and how to ensure those preferences are followed. The counseling sessions would be voluntary................