two VERY different takes on being an american

shepard smith, a true american and liz cheney i don't know what the hell is true about her

this is america, WE DO NOT FUCKING TORTURE
(man, big big big ol' shout out to shep for that one)

Shepard Smith Tells Fox Host: We Are America! We Do Not Fucking Torture!
I hope you will all join me in giving Fox News host Shepard Smith a virtual standing ovation for his emphatic, no-holds-barred stance against torture. We've been sent two YouTube videos of Smith. One on his own show, Studio B, where he much less excitedly told his guests, “We are America. We don't torture. And the moment that is not the case, I want off the train.” On The Strategy Room, an online show, Smith pounded on the table and said vehemently, “We are America! I don't give a rat's ass if it helps! We do not fucking torture!” With video..............


Daddy's little girl: Liz Cheney tells Norah O'Donnell that 'we did not torture'
Liz Cheney, former Deputy Assistant to Condoleezza Rice joined MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell this afternoon to defend her father, former Vice President Dick Cheney, and the Bush administration's use of waterboarding detainees in US custody.

O'Donnell tires of the spin that the end somehow justifies the means about as quickly as you can imagine, so around 3 minutes in to the interview the exchange turns in to about as close to a cat fight as you can get on daytime television news.

"It's what our own people go through in SERE training," Cheney says. Apparently she skipped the portion of the OLC memos that explains that the techniques used on US detainees was specifically designed to go above and beyond what our troops go through in SERE training. "Naturally, I'm pretty sure that our soldiers undergo SERE training to learn what it's like to be tortured, if not withstand it. I mean, if we've reached the point where it's okay to not be outraged when our own soldiers are waterboarded, someone should say so. But either waterboarding is a tolerable technique for military interrogations in every case or it is torture and thus the provenance of sadistic regimes," Cheney quips.

"Liz, the CIA, on its own after 2005, stopped waterboarding on its own," O'Donnel retorts. "The U.S. prosecuted people for waterboarding after World War II. So to suggest there's a consensus out there that waterboarding is not torture is not in fact accurate," she states vehemently..............