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Monday, December 01, 2008

but we DON'T torture!

we have become those we hate. those we call savages. those we want to thrust our idea of democracy upon.

we have become the bad guys

can we become the good guys again?

Former interrogator slams torture: Torture has cost nearly as many lives as 9/11.»


In a Washington Post op-ed today, a former Special Operations interrogator who worked in Iraq in 2006 sharply criticizes American torture techniques as ineffective and dangerous. “Torture and abuse cost American lives,” he writes:

I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. … It’s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me — unless you don’t count American soldiers as Americans..........




the wapo article:



By Matthew Alexander
I should have felt triumphant when I returned from Iraq in August 2006. Instead, I was worried and exhausted. My team of interrogators had successfully hunted down one of the most notorious mass murderers of our generation, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq and the mastermind of the campaign of suicide bombings that had helped plunge Iraq into civil war. But instead of celebrating our success, my mind was consumed with the unfinished business of our mission: fixing the deeply flawed, ineffective and un-American way the U.S. military conducts interrogations in Iraq. I'm still alarmed about that today.......

3 comments:

Commander Zaius said...

Years ago when I was in basic training my fellow army trainees and I went through a class explaining why we treated prisoners with decency and respect.
The idea was that if the "bad guys" knew they could get three squares a day, a dry cot to sleep in, and not have anyone shoot at them they in turn would see that giving up wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Now it was explained that in combat shit happens, in the chaos of people shooting at each other unfortunate events take place but once a prisoner was under US Army control an American soldier could find himself under the jail for harming a prisoner.
As this shit in Iraq was coming out in the open my stomach turned several times as I heard chickenhawks and armchair generals chuckle at what they would do to prisoners to get them to spill the beans. Once or twice I tried to explain this idea to them but I might as well have tried to explain quantum physics. To certain extent I blame the action movies of Rambo, Chuck Norris, and the governor of California that did much to idealize these tactics to the unserving and unwashed masses.

Anonymous said...

Well expressed. Thank you.

Unknown said...

most often torture doesn't provide the RIGHT answers. it just provides the answers those that are being tortured think those that are doing the torturing want to hear

chuck norris aside, we (not ALL of us) have become the savages. with all else obama does OR DOESN'T DO, he MUST correct this