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Tuesday, December 18, 2007

if i had a son (or daughter)

and they were in a bit of trouble, i think i'd try to help them out. HOWEVER if it was a moral matter or an over the top legal matter or something of real importance, i'd NOT deny my child's wrongdoing. it would be important to me for my child to acknowledge their wrongdoing and PAY for it (not necessarily by money but in some form or another). then again, i don't think i could EVER HAVE A CHILD WHO HUNG A DOG (and let's say i DID have a child who was capable of hanging a dog. I WOULD NEVER LET HIM OR HER OFF. I'D MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG, I'D FIND OUT WHY THEY DID IT. I'D MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND I'D MAKE THEM PAY)

By Michael Isikoff and Holly Bailey NEWSWEEK

As Mike Huckabee gains in the polls, the former Arkansas governor is finding that his record in office is getting more scrutiny. One issue likely to get attention is his handling of a sensitive family matter: allegations that one of his sons was involved in the hanging of a stray dog at a Boy Scout camp in 1998. The incident led to the dismissal of David Huckabee, then 17, from his job as a counselor at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, Ark. It also prompted the local prosecuting attorney— bombarded with complaints generated by a national animal-rights group—to write a letter to the Arkansas state police seeking help investigating whether David and another teenager had violated state animal-cruelty laws. The state police never granted the request, and no charges were ever filed. But John Bailey, then the director of Arkansas's state police, tells NEWSWEEK that Governor Huckabee's chief of staff and personal lawyer both leaned on him to write a letter officially denying the local prosecutor's request. .............

picture: Pulaski County Sheriff-AP
Dogged: An incident involving his son David could hurt Huckabee

UPDATE: shoot, this is TOO GOOD to be true. i JUST now came across this (after i posted the above). Mike Huckabee: Playing Both Sides of the Pulpit

By David Corn

..............The book, Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence, was hardly a call to come together. Huckabee wrote it with George Grant in response to the March 24, 1998, school shooting in Jonesboro, Arkansas. The book was published in early June of that year, its cover featuring a blurry photograph of a young boy pointing a gun at the reader.
In Kids Who Kill, Huckabee argued that school shootings were the product of a society in decline, a decline marked (and caused) by abortion, pornography, media violence, out-of-wedlock sex, divorce, drug use, and, of course, homosexuality. Huckabee and his coauthor bemoaned the "demoralization of America," observing, "Despite all our prosperity, pomp, and power, the vaunted American experiment in liberty seems to be disintegrating before our very eyes." Huckabee, who was governor at the time and a well-known social conservative, blasted away at those whom he held responsible for America's ills, and he took a rather tough stand against government social programs and their advocates. In lamenting the "cultural conflicts" besetting the country, he wrote............
and then when i googled david huckabee - i found THIS:

oh and if you're wondering HOW two 17 or 18 year old boy scouts killed that dog
.............I believe the following is the faxed description of the “particular process.” It’s on a reputable site, Utopia Animal Rescue, which is run by, of all people, Kinky Freidman:
(Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee, the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.
Why do I believe that this post came from the fax? Because “litickabee” for “Huckabee” is exactly the kind of error you’d get if you ran a fax through your scanner to get it into your computer for posting.
Now, that’s a pretty gruesome “particular process.” Could it be true? Again, the adults don’t give details. Frady’s father says:
… the younger Frady helped “put it out of its misery.”
But that doesn’t say how Huckabee and Frady did it. However, in our earlier thread on
killing dogs, consensus seemed to be that at least in the country dogs, when “put out of their misery,” are generally shot, if no animal control officer is available.
Now, for whatever reason, Huckabee and Frady didn’t decide to call animal control (or any of the 65 staff members at the Camp), and it’s unlikely they were carrying guns. (There’s no indication that they were getting merit badges in
rifle or shotgun shooting that day.)
More plausibly, Huckabee and Fraly could simply have used the tools that came to hand: Their (Boy Scout) knives, for the throat-slitting; a (Boy Scout) belt or rope, for the hanging; and surface rocks, for the stoning. So there you are. Frankly, when I started this post, I thought that the Utopia Animal Rescue post just had to be over the top, but as soon as you ask yourself How did they kill the dog with no adult supervision and no gun, it becomes much, much more plausible.
No, I wouldn’t call their actions “kind.”........................

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