how many times do i have to say this?

the UNITED STATES DOES NOT TORTURE (except when we DO torture, lie about it and destroy the evidence)

i want justice and i want punishment for the guilty BUT i also want my country and it's laws back. AND I WANT THEM NOW

CIA Torture Tapes Destroyed After Watchdog Concluded Methods Illegal
By Jason Leopold
(The Intelligence Daily) -- The CIA destroyed videotapes showing its agents subjecting high-level al-Qaeda detainees to waterboarding after the agency's inspector general issued a classified report in the spring of 2004 that concluded the interrogation methods used on the prisoners "appeared to constitute cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment, as defined by the International Convention Against Torture."

Details about the videotapes were revealed in a February 2003 letter released in January by Congresswoman Jane Harman D-California. Harman was the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee at the time she wrote the letter to the CIA advising the agency against destroying the videotapes. Prior to writing the letter to then CIA General Counsel Scott Muller, Harman had been briefed about the CIA's interrogation methods against so-called high-level detainees. The CIA declassified Harman's letter at the congresswoman's request..........

a very interesting (and telling)

article in harpers by scott horton
do i believe king george knew you ax? oh hell YES i do believe king george knew
in the holiday news section
Did Bush Watch the Torture Tapes?
...............Are Bush’s denials that he has seen the torture tapes really credible? I don’t think so. And having seen them, the interest in their destruction would be equally fierce, which helps account for the involvement of the White House’s four most senior lawyers in the process. No doubt about it. The White House desperately wants to scapegoat some CIA people over this. (Laura Rozen’s article “Operation Stop Talking” is the best treatment so far of this phenomenon, which finds its best current expression in the effort to “get” John Kiriakou). But the trail leads to the White House, and that is clearly where the decision was taken. It will be interesting to see the techniques used by the Justice Department to obscure all of this. At this point, no one who’s tracked Justice Department antics over the past six years is anticipating anything but a crude cover-up. ..............